Comments on: My RCI Timeshare Horror story – The Grandview Las Vegas http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/ Timeshare Help Resource Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:18:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Heather http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2735 Heather Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:12:56 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2735 My husband and I also experienced the first tour in September 2006 while staying at Excalibur. We were enticed by the promise of free tidkets to the Shark Reef as we had our three children with us. Yes the tour was a bit overwhelming and it took quite longer than two hours but I am glad to say that we did purchase and it has been one of the best investments we've made! Originally we only purchased a one room suite (13,000) and have used it and our additional bonus weeks at several other time shares across the country. We have been to Colorado, Orlando Florida, New Mexico and have gifted two of the bonuse weeks for my parent's anniversary in Arizona. This year at our annual Vegas trip, we opted to upgrade to a second bedrrom suite. We were given the full equity of the price we paid for our original purchase and only paid an additional $4000 to upgrade. Our salesperson the first time was a little overwheliming, however, this time, our sales person was friendly and more interested in educating us than selling us. He even went as far as giving us his email address and cell pone nunmber in the case we had any questions or problems. I would do it all over again and have taken our extended family on vacations as a result of our purchase. They look forward to our yearly vacations as well! We also paid our original loan off at a lwer interest rate in two years. That was an option that was explained at the closing of the deal. Maybe those of you who paid higher interest didn't read the fine print? Anyhow, absolutely NO REGRETS!! My husband and I also experienced the first tour in September 2006 while staying at Excalibur. We were enticed by the promise of free tidkets to the Shark Reef as we had our three children with us. Yes the tour was a bit overwhelming and it took quite longer than two hours but I am glad to say that we did purchase and it has been one of the best investments we’ve made! Originally we only purchased a one room suite (13,000) and have used it and our additional bonus weeks at several other time shares across the country. We have been to Colorado, Orlando Florida, New Mexico and have gifted two of the bonuse weeks for my parent’s anniversary in Arizona. This year at our annual Vegas trip, we opted to upgrade to a second bedrrom suite. We were given the full equity of the price we paid for our original purchase and only paid an additional $4000 to upgrade. Our salesperson the first time was a little overwheliming, however, this time, our sales person was friendly and more interested in educating us than selling us. He even went as far as giving us his email address and cell pone nunmber in the case we had any questions or problems. I would do it all over again and have taken our extended family on vacations as a result of our purchase. They look forward to our yearly vacations as well! We also paid our original loan off at a lwer interest rate in two years. That was an option that was explained at the closing of the deal. Maybe those of you who paid higher interest didn’t read the fine print? Anyhow, absolutely NO REGRETS!!

]]> By: Billy http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2728 Billy Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:53:33 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2728 Carey, please read most of the comments above, most are not complaining of the salesmanship, they are complaining of the extremely misleading tactics. Obviously those who purchased at a high rate are upset to find out about the lower rate. Selling a timeshare deal that exists is not a scam, selling show tickets that do not exist and telling customers they'll be away for 2 hours when in fact it's 6 is a scam. Anyhow, apologies for the time delay. I, like most others, attended a Grandview presentation back in May, on the basis that we were getting massively discounted show tickets and that the discount was worth the 2hrs for the 'hotel tour'. Once I was in decent enough light to be able to read the smallprint, I saw this was a timeshare presentation. Again, for 2hrs, I felt this was ok. We were attending a wedding the next afternoon so booked the show tickets for the day after (of course, we never actually booked tickets - something we wouldn't know until after the presentation), with the timeshare presentation the morning after the wedding. With a mild hangover we awaited the transfer coach and as I was waiting for so long I Googled 'Grandview Las Vegas timeshare' on my Blackberry and this was the second page listed. If only everyone on here had done the same! By the time I got to the offsite location I knew exactly what was going down thanks to all your comments. I'd especially like to thank Gareth (April 17th 2009) for his walkthrough of the day. I quite enjoyed the cheesey, gushing, gut wrenching, emotional blackmail presentation (I'm on vacation, I already kinda know that they're good thanks!). For the following pitch, I told him that while I accept that various plans have been made for casino resorts to come down the Strip, that all that matters to me now is the price and the actual location, so after the rep got frustrated that I wasn't listening to his carefully scripted salesmanship, we were in the car to the Grandview for the tour just 15 minutes later. I quite enjoyed the tour and I knocked on a few walls to see how thin they were (all seemed very solid so I cannot vouch for 'the walls being like paper' argument expressed by others). Back to the offsite sales venue for the actual sales part of the session. At this point, despite only being away from the Strip for 1hr 45mins (over an hour less than most people at that point), I was starting to flag. When asked straight off what I would pay, I said that according to previous sales, the deal is worth $4,995 but that I would only pay that if they waived all maintenance fees, gave me all the extra weeks they would promise and guarantee our show bookings for that afternoon - his face looked extremely puzzled, so he got the now infamous "manager". It now ticked over the 2hrs. The manager complained that I was not playing along and haggling down the price and asked if he could formally offer us $11,995 and we can then haggle down the price from there. We said no, pointed out that we'd been here over 2hrs and that our offer was final. We were then showed through to the final room where the lady who gives you the final offer sits. She seemed much more honest than everyone else, and we told her that she was about to offer us $4,995, we would reject it, that we'd sit for some time in the next room waiting for show tickets, we'd then discover that the show tickets didn't actually exist. She asked how we knew this, I showed her Gareth's post from this website above. She assured us that she had no idea such tactics were being used by the reps in the resorts (over a year had passed between Gareth's experience and my own so that's hard to believe) and that the sales staff in the resort should not be using delaying tactics. She then went through to the 'reject room' herself, got the vouchers for us, called the box office directly to reserve our tickets and they upgraded our tickets too. She then escorted us to the coach waiting outside. We were, by some margin, the first to be released, and the coach was ordered by the lady to take us straight back without waiting for the others. I would love to think this was because the lady was deeply disturbed by the allegations on this site, but in reality I know it's because we may tell other attendees of the five day cancellation clause, the $4,995 final offer et cetera. So, 2hrs 20mins after we left, we were back. We got to see all the shows promised, at the times promised, with better seats. We hardly had to wait around and we didn't buy anything. All thanks to us doing a simple Google search and finding this site before we got to the presentation. Had I not had my Blackberry, I fear our story would have been very similar to the many above! Carey, please read most of the comments above, most are not complaining of the salesmanship, they are complaining of the extremely misleading tactics. Obviously those who purchased at a high rate are upset to find out about the lower rate. Selling a timeshare deal that exists is not a scam, selling show tickets that do not exist and telling customers they’ll be away for 2 hours when in fact it’s 6 is a scam.

Anyhow, apologies for the time delay. I, like most others, attended a Grandview presentation back in May, on the basis that we were getting massively discounted show tickets and that the discount was worth the 2hrs for the ‘hotel tour’. Once I was in decent enough light to be able to read the smallprint, I saw this was a timeshare presentation. Again, for 2hrs, I felt this was ok. We were attending a wedding the next afternoon so booked the show tickets for the day after (of course, we never actually booked tickets – something we wouldn’t know until after the presentation), with the timeshare presentation the morning after the wedding.

With a mild hangover we awaited the transfer coach and as I was waiting for so long I Googled ‘Grandview Las Vegas timeshare’ on my Blackberry and this was the second page listed. If only everyone on here had done the same!

By the time I got to the offsite location I knew exactly what was going down thanks to all your comments. I’d especially like to thank Gareth (April 17th 2009) for his walkthrough of the day.

I quite enjoyed the cheesey, gushing, gut wrenching, emotional blackmail presentation (I’m on vacation, I already kinda know that they’re good thanks!). For the following pitch, I told him that while I accept that various plans have been made for casino resorts to come down the Strip, that all that matters to me now is the price and the actual location, so after the rep got frustrated that I wasn’t listening to his carefully scripted salesmanship, we were in the car to the Grandview for the tour just 15 minutes later.

I quite enjoyed the tour and I knocked on a few walls to see how thin they were (all seemed very solid so I cannot vouch for ‘the walls being like paper’ argument expressed by others).

Back to the offsite sales venue for the actual sales part of the session. At this point, despite only being away from the Strip for 1hr 45mins (over an hour less than most people at that point), I was starting to flag. When asked straight off what I would pay, I said that according to previous sales, the deal is worth $4,995 but that I would only pay that if they waived all maintenance fees, gave me all the extra weeks they would promise and guarantee our show bookings for that afternoon – his face looked extremely puzzled, so he got the now infamous “manager”. It now ticked over the 2hrs.

The manager complained that I was not playing along and haggling down the price and asked if he could formally offer us $11,995 and we can then haggle down the price from there. We said no, pointed out that we’d been here over 2hrs and that our offer was final.

We were then showed through to the final room where the lady who gives you the final offer sits. She seemed much more honest than everyone else, and we told her that she was about to offer us $4,995, we would reject it, that we’d sit for some time in the next room waiting for show tickets, we’d then discover that the show tickets didn’t actually exist. She asked how we knew this, I showed her Gareth’s post from this website above. She assured us that she had no idea such tactics were being used by the reps in the resorts (over a year had passed between Gareth’s experience and my own so that’s hard to believe) and that the sales staff in the resort should not be using delaying tactics. She then went through to the ‘reject room’ herself, got the vouchers for us, called the box office directly to reserve our tickets and they upgraded our tickets too. She then escorted us to the coach waiting outside. We were, by some margin, the first to be released, and the coach was ordered by the lady to take us straight back without waiting for the others.

I would love to think this was because the lady was deeply disturbed by the allegations on this site, but in reality I know it’s because we may tell other attendees of the five day cancellation clause, the $4,995 final offer et cetera.

So, 2hrs 20mins after we left, we were back. We got to see all the shows promised, at the times promised, with better seats. We hardly had to wait around and we didn’t buy anything. All thanks to us doing a simple Google search and finding this site before we got to the presentation. Had I not had my Blackberry, I fear our story would have been very similar to the many above!

]]> By: Carey http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2718 Carey Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:42:13 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2718 I love the Grandview! Last year my husband and I attended one of the sales pitches from the Grandviwe. In exchange for going to the presentation we got 2 free nights at either the Luxor or Excalaber (we chose Luxor)as well as a $100 credit for gaming. We went to the presentation thinking there was no way we would ever buy a timeshare, but we were convinced and bought a 1 bedroom and got 2 extra weeks free. We get the extra weeks every year. *Note on extra weeks* They can be confusing because you can only book between 2-45 days so there is not a lot of time to plan air fare and availability is limited, but we have our regular week for the trips we need to schedule in advance. This year we returned and were offered a deal on purchasing a 2nd bedroom that gave us 2 more extra weeks. We now have one week every year for a 2 bedroom unit that can be traded in if we want and 4 extra weeks. I don't even have that much vacation time, so we have offered some of these weeks to friends. It costs $59 for a guest certificate for one time use or $149 for a 5 year guest pass in addition to the transfer fee ($197). We have several friends who visit Vegas a lot (we are in California) and have already booked our first friend. He can't wait to take his family of 4 to Vegas for a week at $346 (6 nights at a hotel charging $60 would cost $360 plus taxes and fees. I don't think any Vegas hotels have weekend rates as low as $60). He got the 5 year pass so next time he will only have to pay $197 for the full week. We will be returning again in a few months for a tradeshow and will stay in the Grandview (if we stayed at the hotel it would have been 3 rooms at $89 per night totaling $1,068 - we paid only the $197 transfer fee). I think there are 2 reasons that we are so happy with this program 1) we did not finance so we do not owe anything other than maintenance and RCI membership. RCI offers discounted membership if you purchase multiple years at once (we have already paid for 5 years). 2) We will be using it ALOT. If we can't go we have plenty of friends that will. When buying anything like this you have to be SMART and think about what you are getting into. Obviously sales people are going to make it sound better than it is. Thats what sales people do! They told us that Disney was building right next door. That would be cool but YEAH RIGHT! (Anyone who is upset because they were promised that the Grandview would be located in the "New Strip" and is now realizing that it may not happen is so gullable they probably don't even try to bargain when purchasing a car! Hello COMMON SENSE) Maybe sometime in the future the Disney resort or "New Strip" will be built, but we knew it was unlikely. We had to make the decision based on what was actually there, not what was promised to happen in the future. We love the resort itself (and kinda like that it is away from the slip). The hotel next door is great also. It has a $7 breakfast buffet that was YUMMY! The lunch and dinner buffets were well priced and good but I LOVE breakfast. :)They also have a bowling ally and a great movie theater. We can't wait to go back in October!!!!! Some tips if you decide to buy: 1)do not say yes right away. The longer you hold out, the lower the price will get. We cycled through 3 different people (each was progressively higher up in the company) before we said yes and each time the price got lower and the benefits got higher. 2)remember who you are dealing with. Promises of possible future events are great but unless there is actual PROOF, don't believe anything that is not in writing. 3) ASK QUESTIONS!!!!! The more questions you ask the more likely you are to get what you want or to know for sure that it is not right for you. Ask the same question to different people and see if they have the same answer. 4) evaluate your finances! Do not buy something you cannot afford! 5) Take responsibility for your own decisions Before buying something like this THINK!!!! Don't finance!!! Who wants to be paying interest anyway? (You can choose to break up the payments into 12 months for no interest if you don't have the full amount available right now) Make sure it is something that YOU will use. DO NOT rely on selling it to friends or on EBAY as a way to make money. It is nice if you can, but you have to be able to afford it on your own in case your friends back out or you cant sell it. To everyone who complained about the sales people being aggressive,again that is their JOB!!! They are SALES people. When they say it will take 90 minutes, plan for 6 hours. Then if it only takes 90 minutes you will be happy. They are not going to give you free hotel stays or show tickets for nothing! You have to put some time into it even if you have no intention of buying. Remember, no one is forcing you to decide to buy. That is YOUR decision! Even though they say you have to buy NOW if you decide later that it is something you want, I'm sure they would be more than happy to sell it. And who knows they may even comp your second trip as well. This is NOT A SCAM!! It can be a waste of money though if you don't use it correctly. Anyone thinking of spending this amount of money needs to do some serious thinking and make sure it is financially viable for them. I love the Grandview! Last year my husband and I attended one of the sales pitches from the Grandviwe. In exchange for going to the presentation we got 2 free nights at either the Luxor or Excalaber (we chose Luxor)as well as a $100 credit for gaming. We went to the presentation thinking there was no way we would ever buy a timeshare, but we were convinced and bought a 1 bedroom and got 2 extra weeks free. We get the extra weeks every year. *Note on extra weeks* They can be confusing because you can only book between 2-45 days so there is not a lot of time to plan air fare and availability is limited, but we have our regular week for the trips we need to schedule in advance. This year we returned and were offered a deal on purchasing a 2nd bedroom that gave us 2 more extra weeks. We now have one week every year for a 2 bedroom unit that can be traded in if we want and 4 extra weeks. I don’t even have that much vacation time, so we have offered some of these weeks to friends. It costs $59 for a guest certificate for one time use or $149 for a 5 year guest pass in addition to the transfer fee ($197). We have several friends who visit Vegas a lot (we are in California) and have already booked our first friend. He can’t wait to take his family of 4 to Vegas for a week at $346 (6 nights at a hotel charging $60 would cost $360 plus taxes and fees. I don’t think any Vegas hotels have weekend rates as low as $60). He got the 5 year pass so next time he will only have to pay $197 for the full week. We will be returning again in a few months for a tradeshow and will stay in the Grandview (if we stayed at the hotel it would have been 3 rooms at $89 per night totaling $1,068 – we paid only the $197 transfer fee).

I think there are 2 reasons that we are so happy with this program
1) we did not finance so we do not owe anything other than maintenance and RCI membership. RCI offers discounted membership if you purchase multiple years at once (we have already paid for 5 years).
2) We will be using it ALOT. If we can’t go we have plenty of friends that will.

When buying anything like this you have to be SMART and think about what you are getting into. Obviously sales people are going to make it sound better than it is. Thats what sales people do! They told us that Disney was building right next door. That would be cool but YEAH RIGHT! (Anyone who is upset because they were promised that the Grandview would be located in the “New Strip” and is now realizing that it may not happen is so gullable they probably don’t even try to bargain when purchasing a car! Hello COMMON SENSE) Maybe sometime in the future the Disney resort or “New Strip” will be built, but we knew it was unlikely. We had to make the decision based on what was actually there, not what was promised to happen in the future. We love the resort itself (and kinda like that it is away from the slip). The hotel next door is great also. It has a $7 breakfast buffet that was YUMMY! The lunch and dinner buffets were well priced and good but I LOVE breakfast. :) They also have a bowling ally and a great movie theater. We can’t wait to go back in October!!!!!

Some tips if you decide to buy:
1)do not say yes right away. The longer you hold out, the lower the price will get. We cycled through 3 different people (each was progressively higher up in the company) before we said yes and each time the price got lower and the benefits got higher.
2)remember who you are dealing with. Promises of possible future events are great but unless there is actual PROOF, don’t believe anything that is not in writing.
3) ASK QUESTIONS!!!!! The more questions you ask the more likely you are to get what you want or to know for sure that it is not right for you. Ask the same question to different people and see if they have the same answer.
4) evaluate your finances! Do not buy something you cannot afford!
5) Take responsibility for your own decisions

Before buying something like this THINK!!!! Don’t finance!!! Who wants to be paying interest anyway? (You can choose to break up the payments into 12 months for no interest if you don’t have the full amount available right now) Make sure it is something that YOU will use. DO NOT rely on selling it to friends or on EBAY as a way to make money. It is nice if you can, but you have to be able to afford it on your own in case your friends back out or you cant sell it.

To everyone who complained about the sales people being aggressive,again that is their JOB!!! They are SALES people. When they say it will take 90 minutes, plan for 6 hours. Then if it only takes 90 minutes you will be happy. They are not going to give you free hotel stays or show tickets for nothing! You have to put some time into it even if you have no intention of buying. Remember, no one is forcing you to decide to buy. That is YOUR decision! Even though they say you have to buy NOW if you decide later that it is something you want, I’m sure they would be more than happy to sell it. And who knows they may even comp your second trip as well. This is NOT A SCAM!! It can be a waste of money though if you don’t use it correctly. Anyone thinking of spending this amount of money needs to do some serious thinking and make sure it is financially viable for them.

]]> By: Finis http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2713 Finis Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:31:51 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2713 My wife and I just went to Vegas during the weekend of Jul 4, 2010. For the sake of the free show tickets, we went to the GrandView Les Vegas timesahre program as well. What a scam!! 1) We were promised 2 hours maximum originally at the sign up in Venetian Hotel. By the time we actually got on the shuttle to return, the timeshare took us 6.5 hours!! 2) They were saying the area for GrandView Casino would be developing into a popular area, such as the current Strip with Planet Hollywood, Bellagio ... etc. Crap!! Go Check out the zoning applications in official City of Les Vegas website. The area for GrandView resort is not a focus of the city future development at all. GrandView becoming the heart of Les Vegas is a sales scam. Or, maybe it will be true in another 200 years?? 3) The sale is pressured and the staff attitude is aggresive. I will not buy a deal that doesn't leave me an opportunity for research. You can be polite, but you have to firm and strong in making up your mind not to buy. My wife and I just went to Vegas during the weekend of Jul 4, 2010. For the sake of the free show tickets, we went to the GrandView Les Vegas timesahre program as well. What a scam!!

1) We were promised 2 hours maximum originally at the sign up in Venetian Hotel. By the time we actually got on the shuttle to return, the timeshare took us 6.5 hours!!

2) They were saying the area for GrandView Casino would be developing into a popular area, such as the current Strip with Planet Hollywood, Bellagio … etc. Crap!! Go Check out the zoning applications in official City of Les Vegas website. The area for GrandView resort is not a focus of the city future development at all. GrandView becoming the heart of Les Vegas is a sales scam. Or, maybe it will be true in another 200 years??

3) The sale is pressured and the staff attitude is aggresive. I will not buy a deal that doesn’t leave me an opportunity for research. You can be polite, but you have to firm and strong in making up your mind not to buy.

]]> By: VR http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2711 VR Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:57:07 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2711 We went to Las Vegas in 2005 and bought our timeshare then and haven't had any problems since. My only advice is to negotiate hard! They started off at $30,000 and we kept saying no, finally after a couple of hours and them transferring us from salesperson to salesperson, we finally accepted an offer. For $5000 we got a 1BDR for 1 week every 3 years and a bonus week every year. So far we've been to Mexico twice and Florida once and the resorts have all been outstanding. We're planning to go to Florida again this winter. If you are interested in purchasing, just keep saying no! They will lower their price. Once you get down to the $5000-6000 range that's pretty much as low as they'll go. I haven't heard of anyone who paid much lower than that. We went to Las Vegas in 2005 and bought our timeshare then and haven’t had any problems since.
My only advice is to negotiate hard! They started off at $30,000 and we kept saying no, finally after a couple of hours and them transferring us from salesperson to salesperson, we finally accepted an offer. For $5000 we got a 1BDR for 1 week every 3 years and a bonus week every year. So far we’ve been to Mexico twice and Florida once and the resorts have all been outstanding. We’re planning to go to Florida again this winter. If you are interested in purchasing, just keep saying no! They will lower their price. Once you get down to the $5000-6000 range that’s pretty much as low as they’ll go. I haven’t heard of anyone who paid much lower than that.

]]> By: Natalie http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2683 Natalie Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:58:10 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2683 We were in las vegas at the beginning of the month and before we even had then chance to check in, we were being offered reduced tickets for chris angel and gambling credit, not realising we were actually being pounced on by grandview salesmen. We happily agreed to go on the tour, not realising what is was for, they suggested it would be for tips for holiday makers. WRONG, we were taken to the grandview, where they showed us the rooms and made it sound very appealing and affordable. The salesman who we met, we're great and even looked after us throughout the holiday, however this may have been because we stupidly agreed to buy. After speaking to locals in las vegas, in particular a mortgage advisor now turned taxi driver due to the drastic drop in property prices and decrease of tourism, we realised we had made a massive mistake. We spoke to the concierge desk at the Luxor about how to cancel our agreement and they suggested taking a taxi straight to the resort and doing it in person. Again everyone was helpful in finding the correct person to help, however when we were in the back room, finalizing the cancellation, we were again offered another deal - - - - a third of the price. Obviously we declined the offer. This shows just how much they rip you off, the last price can always be beaten and there must be a reason for this. Luckily we were only charged admin fees, getting the deposit fully refunded. We would urge anyone that can still cancel, to do so as soon as possible, after reading through these reviews we are so relieved. Good Luck!!! We were in las vegas at the beginning of the month and before we even had then chance to check in, we were being offered reduced tickets for chris angel and gambling credit, not realising we were actually being pounced on by grandview salesmen. We happily agreed to go on the tour, not realising what is was for, they suggested it would be for tips for holiday makers. WRONG, we were taken to the grandview, where they showed us the rooms and made it sound very appealing and affordable. The salesman who we met, we’re great and even looked after us throughout the holiday, however this may have been because we stupidly agreed to buy. After speaking to locals in las vegas, in particular a mortgage advisor now turned taxi driver due to the drastic drop in property prices and decrease of tourism, we realised we had made a massive mistake. We spoke to the concierge desk at the Luxor about how to cancel our agreement and they suggested taking a taxi straight to the resort and doing it in person. Again everyone was helpful in finding the correct person to help, however when we were in the back room, finalizing the cancellation, we were again offered another deal – - – - a third of the price. Obviously we declined the offer. This shows just how much they rip you off, the last price can always be beaten and there must be a reason for this. Luckily we were only charged admin fees, getting the deposit fully refunded. We would urge anyone that can still cancel, to do so as soon as possible, after reading through these reviews we are so relieved. Good Luck!!!

]]> By: Frank http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2682 Frank Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:18:13 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2682 @Roze, We also got talked into a 2bd room on the 19th (Saturday) and are waiting to get confirmation our revocation has gone through. We were NOT told by anyone we had only 5 days to do so, in fact we were told NOT to say anything to the Verification Officer that indicated we were unsure, as it may prevent us from getting the loan. In short, foolish we were. I hope you did the revocation. @Roze,

We also got talked into a 2bd room on the 19th (Saturday) and are waiting to get confirmation our revocation has gone through. We were NOT told by anyone we had only 5 days to do so, in fact we were told NOT to say anything to the Verification Officer that indicated we were unsure, as it may prevent us from getting the loan. In short, foolish we were. I hope you did the revocation.

]]> By: melham http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2667 melham Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:17:01 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2667 rozy, hurry up! rozy,

hurry up!

]]> By: Rozy http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2665 Rozy Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:48:27 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2665 Hi to all, I bought a 2 BD timeshare in Grandview, las Vegas last June 18th for 24990.00. After reading all the comments, I am scared and thinking of revoking it. It's my 3rd day and still within the 5 day period. Any of you guys know if I'll be able to get the full deposited amount plus the closing fee and the rci membership fee? Time is running out and I need some input. I already called but nobody pick-up so I left my message. Hi to all,

I bought a 2 BD timeshare in Grandview, las Vegas last June 18th for 24990.00. After reading all the comments, I am scared and thinking of revoking it. It’s my 3rd day and still within the 5 day period. Any of you guys know if I’ll be able to get the full deposited amount plus the closing fee and the rci membership fee? Time is running out and I need some input. I already called but nobody pick-up so I left my message.

]]> By: Ben http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2628 Ben Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:37:18 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2628 My wife and I just returned from a short 3 day vacation in Vegas. Being our first time there, we fell for the con and ended up spending almost 5 hours at the "presentation". If nothing else, it was an experience. I can tell you when I finally went from saying "I don't think so" to "the answer is no!", our salesman and his manager went from being my best friends to being cold as icebergs. Good for them, they were feeding us a line of bull....17% interest? Any bank will refinance? An investment? Come on....thanks Grandview for the three sandwiches, donut, 4 cups of lemonade, gambling money and Lion King tickets! Now just learn that "No" means "No"!!! My wife and I just returned from a short 3 day vacation in Vegas. Being our first time there, we fell for the con and ended up spending almost 5 hours at the “presentation”. If nothing else, it was an experience. I can tell you when I finally went from saying “I don’t think so” to “the answer is no!”, our salesman and his manager went from being my best friends to being cold as icebergs. Good for them, they were feeding us a line of bull….17% interest? Any bank will refinance? An investment? Come on….thanks Grandview for the three sandwiches, donut, 4 cups of lemonade, gambling money and Lion King tickets! Now just learn that “No” means “No”!!!

]]> By: Steve http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2612 Steve Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:34:13 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2612 Blain: I bought a timeshare at the Grandview and sent my revocation form in too late (8 days instead of 5). They are offering me a reduced price package, but telling me that just letting them take my $2500 deposit and walking away is NOT AN OPTION. What is the source of your information about being able to just lose your deposit and walk if revoked within 10 days? Blain:

I bought a timeshare at the Grandview and sent my revocation form in too late (8 days instead of 5). They are offering me a reduced price package, but telling me that just letting them take my $2500 deposit and walking away is NOT AN OPTION. What is the source of your information about being able to just lose your deposit and walk if revoked within 10 days?

]]> By: Nancy K http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2610 Nancy K Fri, 28 May 2010 22:56:26 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2610 We'd never heard of this place and my husband listened to the spiel from some ex-con on the strip. We were first told it was NOT a time share, so we went to get our 'show' tickets. What a joke. We went to the presentation with a lovely woman and were also told NO HIGH PRESSURE. If we said "No", it was "No". What a joke again. We sat there whhile she tried to pressure us, then she got her supervisor (with the fungus under the nails) who tried to really high pressure us, then when we said "No" again, they got the last high pressure saleswoman who, after hearing "No" again, grabbed her paperwork and stomped off, not letting us know where the hell we got out of there. 2 hours turned into 5 hours. The price went from $41K for the best area (Vegas), 2-bedroom - down to $6K for a 1-bedroom previously owned usable only every second or third year. We had both agreed that we don't 'do' time shares. Unfortunately hubby got excited at hearing we could go to Europe for $194 a week. BFD I say. Europe is too old for my taste. We’d never heard of this place and my husband listened to the spiel from some ex-con on the strip. We were first told it was NOT a time share, so we went to get our ’show’ tickets. What a joke. We went to the presentation with a lovely woman and were also told NO HIGH PRESSURE. If we said “No”, it was “No”. What a joke again. We sat there whhile she tried to pressure us, then she got her supervisor (with the fungus under the nails) who tried to really high pressure us, then when we said “No” again, they got the last high pressure saleswoman who, after hearing “No” again, grabbed her paperwork and stomped off, not letting us know where the hell we got out of there. 2 hours turned into 5 hours. The price went from $41K for the best area (Vegas), 2-bedroom – down to $6K for a 1-bedroom previously owned usable only every second or third year. We had both agreed that we don’t ‘do’ time shares. Unfortunately hubby got excited at hearing we could go to Europe for $194 a week. BFD I say. Europe is too old for my taste.

]]> By: Billy http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2603 Billy Tue, 25 May 2010 19:48:37 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2603 I just had to quote this guy.. This is funny!!! And people were posting after him trying to sell him their timeshare!! Ha!! brian Says: January 2nd, 2008 at 6:37 pm I wish I would have bought when I was there last november, does anyone know where I can go to purchase a timeshare at grandview (hopefully directly through them)as they have their own financing and I am currently carrying 2 mortgages and dont htink I can get a third yet. I just had to quote this guy.. This is funny!!! And people were posting after him trying to sell him their timeshare!! Ha!!

brian Says:

January 2nd, 2008 at 6:37 pm
I wish I would have bought when I was there last november, does anyone know where I can go to purchase a timeshare at grandview (hopefully directly through them)as they have their own financing and I am currently carrying 2 mortgages and dont htink I can get a third yet.

]]> By: Blain http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2592 Blain Wed, 19 May 2010 05:00:50 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2592 Went to presentation, took 6 hours total, salesman was very nice, nice place. At the end we fell for it and signed the papers with the offer of a 2 bedroom and 4 extra rci weeks for 25k. We just sent in the revocation paper today after giving it more thought. Why we changed our mind: we couldn't afford it, wasn't that great of a deal, too many fees, lifetime of obligation is too much of a hassle, rci trade is very restrictive Bottomline: DO NOT BUY, send in the revocation paper ASAP if within 5 days, if within 10 days you lose your deposit. Don't YOU want to choose whatever vacation you go on whenever you want to go! A timeshare is a purchase not an investment! Went to presentation, took 6 hours total, salesman was very nice, nice place. At the end we fell for it and signed the papers with the offer of a 2 bedroom and 4 extra rci weeks for 25k. We just sent in the revocation paper today after giving it more thought.

Why we changed our mind: we couldn’t afford it, wasn’t that great of a deal, too many fees, lifetime of obligation is too much of a hassle, rci trade is very restrictive

Bottomline: DO NOT BUY, send in the revocation paper ASAP if within 5 days, if within 10 days you lose your deposit. Don’t YOU want to choose whatever vacation you go on whenever you want to go!

A timeshare is a purchase not an investment!

]]> By: Justin http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2588 Justin Sat, 15 May 2010 05:19:27 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2588 Amazing! Timeshare owners love the deal..People who expect free gifts and show tickets complain [and who can't afford to buy]. There's no scam in timeshare, it's a great deal for us who love to travel and plan ahead. Bottom line is, if you can't afford a house, or a $20K car, you get what you deserve when you go to a timeshare presentation: 2 show tickets, some free cookies and being presented with something you cannot afford or appreciate.And then you call it a scam(?) Amazing! Timeshare owners love the deal..People who expect free gifts and show tickets complain [and who can't afford to buy]. There’s no scam in timeshare, it’s a great deal for us who love to travel and plan ahead. Bottom line is, if you can’t afford a house, or a $20K car, you get what you deserve when you go to a timeshare presentation: 2 show tickets, some free cookies and being presented with something you cannot afford or appreciate.And then you call it a scam(?)

]]> By: Lisa & Frank http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2587 Lisa & Frank Sat, 15 May 2010 03:09:16 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2587 May 14,2010 We were on our honeymoon May 10-13, 2010 in Las Vegas and was approached in the Venetian to get a set of freebies. Of course we were a little skeptible at the idea of spending a few hours listening to a sales pitch. The Grandview explained that there wouldn’t be any hi-s$ales pitch or pressured sales. We went through 4 sales people trying to get us to purchase a timeshare with them. They started out at 41,000 and went all the way down to $9,990. We kindly explained to them that we weren’t ready to purchase on the spot and we’d have to sleep on it and we also pray before we make large purchases….the sales lady Lorraine looked dumbfounded afterwards. I asked the last person we spoke to about the real cost of this timeshare….I said if we pay $9,990 for the same 1 bdrm and someone else pays $41,000…isn’t that cheating the person who paid more??? She didn’t have an answer for me. 4.5 hours later they finally took us back to the strip. I went back to the Venetian and complained to the manager of the ‘tour set-up’ that the so-called 2 hour session led into 4.5 hour session. They gave us more free tickets to a show. I’m glad I came home to find this site online. Thank You!!!! We were really thinking of purchasing a timeshare from Grandview…….after reading this……we’ll find another one to purchase from. If anyone knows of a reputable company to purchase from in Vegas….please let me know. Thanks, remember guys, always pray before major purchases…..pray for small one’s too. Ciao! May 14,2010
We were on our honeymoon May 10-13, 2010 in Las Vegas and was approached in the Venetian to get a set of freebies.
Of course we were a little skeptible at the idea of spending a few hours listening to a sales pitch. The Grandview explained that there wouldn’t be any hi-s$ales pitch or pressured sales. We went through 4 sales people trying to get us to purchase a timeshare with them. They started out at 41,000 and went all the way down to $9,990. We kindly explained to them that we weren’t ready to purchase on the spot and we’d have to sleep on it and we also pray before we make large purchases….the sales lady Lorraine looked dumbfounded afterwards. I asked the last person we spoke to about the real cost of this timeshare….I said if we pay $9,990 for the same 1 bdrm and someone else pays $41,000…isn’t that cheating the person who paid more??? She didn’t have an answer for me. 4.5 hours later they finally took us back to the strip. I went back to the Venetian and complained to the manager of the ‘tour set-up’ that the so-called 2 hour session led into 4.5 hour session. They gave us more free tickets to a show. I’m glad I came home to find this site online. Thank You!!!! We were really thinking of purchasing a timeshare from Grandview…….after reading this……we’ll find another one to purchase from. If anyone knows of a reputable company to purchase from in Vegas….please let me know. Thanks, remember guys, always pray before major purchases…..pray for small one’s too.

Ciao!

]]> By: Melham http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2578 Melham Wed, 12 May 2010 22:38:23 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2578 baba, run!!!! baba, run!!!!

]]> By: BaBa http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2574 BaBa Wed, 12 May 2010 00:14:39 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2574 BaBa says, I have bought the timeshare of Grandview at Las Vegas 20 days ago and paid a down payment for $890 . I signed an automatic credit card monthly withdrawal agreetment with them.I want to get out of this contract. Can I just cancell my Credit card rightaway to prevent the future withdrawal by the company and forefeit the 10% downpayment. Would someone gives me advise regarding the cancellation. I am not heppy for the scam. What they told me is that I can use those weeks for exchange through RCI for whatever days I want for HOTEL or resort elsewhere. But RCI told me a different story that it is only week to week for the available resort only. BaBa says,

I have bought the timeshare of Grandview at Las Vegas
20 days ago and paid a down payment for $890 .
I signed an automatic credit card monthly withdrawal agreetment with them.I want to get out of this contract.
Can I just cancell my Credit card rightaway to prevent
the future withdrawal by the company and forefeit the 10% downpayment. Would someone gives me advise regarding
the cancellation.
I am not heppy for the scam. What they told me is that
I can use those weeks for exchange through RCI for whatever days I want for HOTEL or resort elsewhere.
But RCI told me a different story that it is only week
to week for the available resort only.

]]> By: cbecker http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-5/#comment-2543 cbecker Mon, 19 Apr 2010 02:48:22 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2543 My spouse and I went on vacation to Florida back in 2001, we stayed at a very nice place on Singer Island. We too were approached by Timeshare Sales. We quickly agreed to go through the presentation. After figuring out the cost and sitting through all the pressing sales pitches we decided not to buy. As we were leaving the presentation a gentleman approached us and identified himself as a builder. He stated that he had a forclousure on a studio in Pompano Beach would we like to see the figures? We agreed and we ended up buying for less than 4,000.00, with one bonus week every year. Our maintenance fees are always less than $600.00 per year. I can also exchange anywhere in the world with RCI for a small fee. Why doo you people buy into these large resorts? Why not exchange and buy into a cheaper place? My spouse and I went on vacation to Florida back in 2001, we stayed at a very nice place on Singer Island. We too were approached by Timeshare Sales. We quickly agreed to go through the presentation. After figuring out the cost and sitting through all the pressing sales pitches we decided not to buy. As we were leaving the presentation a gentleman approached us and identified himself as a builder. He stated that he had a forclousure on a studio in Pompano Beach would we like to see the figures? We agreed and we ended up buying for less than 4,000.00, with one bonus week every year. Our maintenance fees are always less than $600.00 per year. I can also exchange anywhere in the world with RCI for a small fee. Why doo you people buy into these large resorts? Why not exchange and buy into a cheaper place?

]]> By: Brian Meekins http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-2385 Brian Meekins Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:12:11 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-2385 I have read several of the commits posted and can understand what many of you are saying about your experiences with timeshare sales having been to over (20) of them. About 5 years ago I took my wife on a surprise get away weekend and part of the deal was to listen to the pitch for Tihiti Villege. While we were there, we recieved free show tickets for listening to the Grandview. We had never purchased a timeshare before and felt like we were veteran of the process. We bought a timeshare for the first time from the Grandview because of timing and our sales person did not pressure us like so many of them do. She simply sat down and said please let me show you what we have to offer and if you think it is right for you, then lets talk business, if not then lets not waste your time or mine and make the most of the day that is left. THAT WAS IT! I was so relaxed that we ended up buying it and have enjoyed it ever since. We have not been able to go every year, but have let our family members use it when we could not. One of the fortunite few! I have read several of the commits posted and can understand what many of you are saying about your experiences with timeshare sales having been to over (20) of them. About 5 years ago I took my wife on a surprise get away weekend and part of the deal was to listen to the pitch for Tihiti Villege. While we were there, we recieved free show tickets for listening to the Grandview. We had never purchased a timeshare before and felt like we were veteran of the process. We bought a timeshare for the first time from the Grandview because of timing and our sales person did not pressure us like so many of them do. She simply sat down and said please let me show you what we have to offer and if you think it is right for you, then lets talk business, if not then lets not waste your time or mine and make the most of the day that is left. THAT WAS IT! I was so relaxed that we ended up buying it and have enjoyed it ever since. We have not been able to go every year, but have let our family members use it when we could not.

One of the fortunite few!

]]> By: Milena http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1702 Milena Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:50:10 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1702 I am glad that you didn't because if  you do you make a financial suicede and is forever, we did and we regret but is to late, now we are a group of people from the same resort try to suit them for damages, I would love if anybody before go to this presentation go online anddo some research about this time before you go to a time share presentation, they are just scam all over this country special here in florida so bad that the consumer protection hasn't done anything just advice people, but by the time you look up the contract and everything is very late and you get trap in this situacion forever, hope we can help some fox there before they go in vacation and ended to comited financial suicede, sorry for my english it is not my primary lenguage. I am glad that you didn't because if  you do you make a financial suicede and is forever, we did and we regret but is to late, now we are a group of people from the same resort try to suit them for damages, I would love if anybody before go to this presentation go online anddo some research about this time before you go to a time share presentation, they are just scam all over this country special here in florida so bad that the consumer protection hasn't done anything just advice people, but by the time you look up the contract and everything is very late and you get trap in this situacion forever, hope we can help some fox there before they go in vacation and ended to comited financial suicede, sorry for my english it is not my primary lenguage.

]]> By: Juan http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1696 Juan Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:49:20 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1696 My wife and I went to the  Poconos, PA.  After receiving a call we decided to go to a presentation with the intention of receiving two free nights. Before going to the presentation I had all the excuses prepared for the salesperson. Ofcourse,  I was not planning to buy anything. Before going to the "tour" i was thinking that it was more like a group presentation. However, it was a single salesman that took care of us. After, taking a break my wife and i had a chance to talk. She told me that even though we didn't go with the intention of buying timeshare looked like a great deal and wouldn't get the same deal another day. It was Valentines' weekend another reason to say yes and make her happy. To make the story short, we ended up buying the timeshare. However, I did some research online, did the math and read all the postings and decided to fax and mail a letter to cancel the contract. I want to say thank you to all those people that have posted their experiences with timeshare, their booking experiences, resorts, etc. If you are considering getting timeshare DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON't  do it. It doesn't make sense, especially for the all inclusive resorts. You have to pay a daily fee for meals and beverages and ends up being more expensive. you're better of doing the reservation yourself. Please do the math before anything. Please add the maintainance fee, the booking fee, the membership fee, etc. Don't forget that it is very hard to book a resort through RCI. After all vacation suppose to be a time to relax not to stress yourself trying to get place to stay.  I faxed my letter today and will mail a copy tomorrow. I will post again once i have received my full refund. i'm still within the cancellation period. My wife and I went to the  Poconos, PA.  After receiving a call we decided to go to a presentation with the intention of receiving two free nights. Before going to the presentation I had all the excuses prepared for the salesperson. Ofcourse,  I was not planning to buy anything. Before going to the "tour" i was thinking that it was more like a group presentation. However, it was a single salesman that took care of us. After, taking a break my wife and i had a chance to talk. She told me that even though we didn't go with the intention of buying timeshare looked like a great deal and wouldn't get the same deal another day. It was Valentines' weekend another reason to say yes and make her happy. To make the story short, we ended up buying the timeshare. However, I did some research online, did the math and read all the postings and decided to fax and mail a letter to cancel the contract. I want to say thank you to all those people that have posted their experiences with timeshare, their booking experiences, resorts, etc. If you are considering getting timeshare DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON't  do it. It doesn't make sense, especially for the all inclusive resorts. You have to pay a daily fee for meals and beverages and ends up being more expensive. you're better of doing the reservation yourself. Please do the math before anything. Please add the maintainance fee, the booking fee, the membership fee, etc. Don't forget that it is very hard to book a resort through RCI. After all vacation suppose to be a time to relax not to stress yourself trying to get place to stay.  I faxed my letter today and will mail a copy tomorrow. I will post again once i have received my full refund. i'm still within the cancellation period.

]]> By: John http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1592 John Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:05:05 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1592 Hello, I have enjoyed reading these comments, and I feel for anyone who bought a timeshare and now has buyer's remorse. My story is similar to everyone else. We did not buy, but we saw the Gradview and saw their tactics first had. We got accosted at Excalibur upon checkin. The guy said he would take us to the "registration desk". My wife and I thought it was check in, but no it was their desk, and they promised us $50 Show tickets (we wanted to see Lance Burton) and $125 in gambling money. We were tired from our flight and not thinking straight. We decided to pay the money ($50), and after that, they didn't even care to show us the check in desk. They told us it was a short presentation and then we would get show tickets, but would not have to buy. My wife and I prepared for this, we knew what this was about after the fact. We decided to go and was told the Grandview was "just off the stript" if you think 25 minutes away by bus on the freeway is just off the strip. The place had a bunch of chairs and they called our name. Our sales associate pushed us with ridiculous numbers, telling us why we need to vacation. We had no video presentation. It was numbers and old books, and our guy trying to sell us on the money factor. (BTW our rep contradicted himself many times). We went to the Grandview and it underwhelmed us. It is halfway in the Mojave desert, and the place was average in our opinion. The sales tactics used by the staff were overwhelming, trying at one point to pit my wife against me. We knew this wouldn't work, the price kept going down and down. Finally, they gave up and we got out of there with our tickets. 4 hours of our life we will never get back. Summary: If you want a time share, research and negotiate, you can get a great deal if you hold out. If you are going to Vegas and want Show Tickets, go to the 1/2 price ticket places on the strip, don't let the allure of $50 tickets con you into anything. As for the sales associates of the Grandview, these tactics are deplorable and sleazy in my opinion. Be cautious!! Hello, I have enjoyed reading these comments, and I feel for anyone who bought a timeshare and now has buyer’s remorse. My story is similar to everyone else. We did not buy, but we saw the Gradview and saw their tactics first had.

We got accosted at Excalibur upon checkin. The guy said he would take us to the “registration desk”. My wife and I thought it was check in, but no it was their desk, and they promised us $50 Show tickets (we wanted to see Lance Burton) and $125 in gambling money. We were tired from our flight and not thinking straight. We decided to pay the money ($50), and after that, they didn’t even care to show us the check in desk. They told us it was a short presentation and then we would get show tickets, but would not have to buy.

My wife and I prepared for this, we knew what this was about after the fact. We decided to go and was told the Grandview was “just off the stript” if you think 25 minutes away by bus on the freeway is just off the strip. The place had a bunch of chairs and they called our name. Our sales associate pushed us with ridiculous numbers, telling us why we need to vacation. We had no video presentation. It was numbers and old books, and our guy trying to sell us on the money factor. (BTW our rep contradicted himself many times). We went to the Grandview and it underwhelmed us. It is halfway in the Mojave desert, and the place was average in our opinion. The sales tactics used by the staff were overwhelming, trying at one point to pit my wife against me. We knew this wouldn’t work, the price kept going down and down. Finally, they gave up and we got out of there with our tickets. 4 hours of our life we will never get back.

Summary: If you want a time share, research and negotiate, you can get a great deal if you hold out. If you are going to Vegas and want Show Tickets, go to the 1/2 price ticket places on the strip, don’t let the allure of $50 tickets con you into anything. As for the sales associates of the Grandview, these tactics are deplorable and sleazy in my opinion. Be cautious!!

]]> By: Corinne Matelski http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1569 Corinne Matelski Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:30:12 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1569 I was offered a trip that would only cost me $389 (that was 17 years ago)for a vacation of 7 nights and 8 days. They failed to inform me that i needed to pay for one night, they put us up for a 4 day, 3 night cruise to the Bahamas...when we left the boat we had no place to go because here i am in Florida on the 4th day with no plans until the 5th day for which i was to go to another resort for 3 days and 2 nights. Being in Florida i was able to call a relative who arranged for us to stay at a nearby hotel (which we had to pay for that night). I was so annoyed, we finished the trip and i came home and faced with endless phone calls to join RCI for only $89 per year or take a three year fee of $200 so we can call whenever we wanted to use any proper outside of the original one we would have access to anyone. My choice was RED whereas, i can go anywhere in the Europe, Asia, America, Islands anywhere i choose. The first year my daughter went with her girlfriends and enjoyed the sun. The following year i didn't use it, i gave it to my brother and sis-in-law as a Christmas present a trip to Lake Tahoe for a week of skiing. Both of the trips were fine no problems. Then i personally used it myself for my big '50th' birthday, i had a great time, got to go on the facilities Yacht and celebrated on the Yacht with the Captain and a few other people...and haven't used it since then. Was able to take my family to Disney, and haven't used it again because of the difficulty to get the places that i wanted. It is not like i didn't try to use it, when my daughter was planning her wedding i wanted to send her and her new husband away on a vacation, i called 15 months ahead of their wedding and was told it was too early i needed to wait until their date got closer. Again i tried several times from that point up until 8 months prior to the date and was told it was too late to book this place as they needed at least a 12 month in advance notice.....well needless to say i argued but got nowhere. I never used it again and i have had since 1993 and have paid over the years the maintenance fees, RCI fees, and taxes. Two years ago my facility was hit with the hurricane which at that time they needed to do renovations which i understood. That year my taxes went from under $1,000 to $2,700....now after being a homeowner for over 40 years i know that taxes go up every year, that is the nature of the beast of burauarcy...but i felt that was ridiculous. I am awaiting my new tax bill for this year. At this point i can't afford to pay $1,000 in a fee to sell it, i don't have this under my mattress, i live from paycheck to paycheck...i am a single woman. Then on the other hand can you get off that easy to just sell it. I just want to get back the money i put into the purchase. While i was on vacation in Las Vegas, i asked if i could trade my Florida home to the Las Vegas site since i spent a lot of time in Vegas no one could not answer my question unless i went through the whole 2 hour presentation again, because my facility was in Florida and not Las Vegas. To me that was not right, someone should have had the capability of answering the question or at least given me someone to contact who could have replied to my inquiry. I was offered a trip that would only cost me $389 (that was 17 years ago)for a vacation of 7 nights and 8 days. They failed to inform me that i needed to pay for one night, they put us up for a 4 day, 3 night cruise to the Bahamas…when we left the boat we had no place to go because here i am in Florida on the 4th day with no plans until the 5th day for which i was to go to another resort for 3 days and 2 nights. Being in Florida i was able to call a relative who arranged for us to stay at a nearby hotel (which we had to pay for that night). I was so annoyed, we finished the trip and i came home and faced with endless phone calls to join RCI for only $89 per year or take a three year fee of $200 so we can call whenever we wanted to use any proper outside of the original one we would have access to anyone. My choice was RED whereas, i can go anywhere in the Europe, Asia, America, Islands anywhere i choose. The first year my daughter went with her girlfriends and enjoyed the sun. The following year i didn’t use it, i gave it to my brother and sis-in-law as a Christmas present a trip to Lake Tahoe for a week of skiing. Both of the trips were fine no problems. Then i personally used it myself for my big ‘50th’ birthday, i had a great time, got to go on the facilities Yacht and celebrated on the Yacht with the Captain and a few other people…and haven’t used it since then. Was able to take my family to Disney, and haven’t used it again because of the difficulty to get the places that i wanted. It is not like i didn’t try to use it, when my daughter was planning her wedding i wanted to send her and her new husband away on a vacation, i called 15 months ahead of their wedding and was told it was too early i needed to wait until their date got closer. Again i tried several times from that point up until 8 months prior to the date and was told it was too late to book this place as they needed at least a 12 month in advance notice…..well needless to say i argued but got nowhere. I never used it again and i have had since 1993 and have paid over the years the maintenance fees, RCI fees, and taxes. Two years ago my facility was hit with the hurricane which at that time they needed to do renovations which i understood. That year my taxes went from under $1,000 to $2,700….now after being a homeowner for over 40 years i know that taxes go up every year, that is the nature of the beast of burauarcy…but i felt that was ridiculous. I am awaiting my new tax bill for this year. At this point i can’t afford to pay $1,000 in a fee to sell it, i don’t have this under my mattress, i live from paycheck to paycheck…i am a single woman. Then on the other hand can you get off that easy to just sell it. I just want to get back the money i put into the purchase. While i was on vacation in Las Vegas, i asked if i could trade my Florida home to the Las Vegas site since i spent a lot of time in Vegas no one could not answer my question unless i went through the whole 2 hour presentation again, because my facility was in Florida and not Las Vegas. To me that was not right, someone should have had the capability of answering the question or at least given me someone to contact who could have replied to my inquiry.

]]> By: Ruben http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1563 Ruben Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:44:38 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1563 You must as been in the sam group my wife and I when. We also went to vegas in 2006 and ended up buying a time share which we are now tryig to get rid of. Nothing like locking 2 well educated intellegent individuals in a room with non-stop pressure and "this would be a great way to keep your family together with memories that last a life time" for 12 hours. Its like toture, after a long even period of time you will do anything just to get out. You must as been in the sam group my wife and I when. We also went to vegas in 2006 and ended up buying a time share which we are now tryig to get rid of. Nothing like locking 2 well educated intellegent individuals in a room with non-stop pressure and “this would be a great way to keep your family together with memories that last a life time” for 12 hours. Its like toture, after a long even period of time you will do anything just to get out.

]]> By: Karen Keeney http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1552 Karen Keeney Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:43:04 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1552 WE purched ours in Las Vegas four years ago and have not used it wewere lied to about being our pets now they tell us no we cant take our pets with they need to do something about these scamers and lires we have paid a thousand dollars in the last two years to sell the timeshare or rent we haven't heard a word from anyone what a bunch of bull these kind need to be put away for the scams we had ten days to cancell and on the day of we told the we wanted our money back we would sell on our own no we could not get out of it. WE purched ours in Las Vegas four years ago and have not used it wewere lied to about being our pets now they tell us no we cant take our pets with they need to do something about these scamers and lires we have paid a thousand dollars in the last two years to sell the timeshare or rent we haven’t heard a word from anyone what a bunch of bull these kind need to be put away for the scams we had ten days to cancell and on the day of we told the we wanted our money back we would sell on our own no we could not get out of it.

]]> By: Mrs B http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1545 Mrs B Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:58:47 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1545 My husband and I have just come back from Vegas and attended one of these ridiculous time share sales 'events'. We understood exactly what was on offer when we were approched with the offer of free tickets. We reasoned that 2 hours of our time for $120 worth of tickets was worth it and so we went along. We had absolutely no intention of buying a timeshare that day, and told the rep as such at the Excalibur when initially approched. 'No problem' he said, Grandview don't mind if you don't buy today, they just want you to see the fabulous facility. Ok, so off we went with open minds. It was an experience to say the least! We had quite a lot of fun with the reps, who were prepared to lie and encourage fraud. They had absolutely no idea (we hope) about tax law in the U.S. or Europe. They also didn't understand their own nonsense diagrams! We stood firm througout the entire thing. Asking relevant questions but refusing to accept that this was a good deal, or that it was appropriate to expect people to make a financial decision like this in three hours. We finally got our tickets, however the hard sell was unbelievable. One rep remarked on my engagament ring, rudely and bizarrely suggesting that we had money to buy nice jewellery and so they were entitled to sell us a timeshare as they spend $million a day on marketing. When we could take it no longer we thanked them for their time and asked to leave. We were told we were stupid and if our lives were miserable that was our own fault?! At this point my husband disclosed the fact that he is a solicitor. We were swiftly exited from the building. If you have bought a timeshare and you live in the UK, consult a legal expert. The sales techniques consitute intimidation. Good luck! My husband and I have just come back from Vegas and attended one of these ridiculous time share sales ‘events’. We understood exactly what was on offer when we were approched with the offer of free tickets. We reasoned that 2 hours of our time for $120 worth of tickets was worth it and so we went along. We had absolutely no intention of buying a timeshare that day, and told the rep as such at the Excalibur when initially approched. ‘No problem’ he said, Grandview don’t mind if you don’t buy today, they just want you to see the fabulous facility. Ok, so off we went with open minds.

It was an experience to say the least! We had quite a lot of fun with the reps, who were prepared to lie and encourage fraud. They had absolutely no idea (we hope) about tax law in the U.S. or Europe. They also didn’t understand their own nonsense diagrams!

We stood firm througout the entire thing. Asking relevant questions but refusing to accept that this was a good deal, or that it was appropriate to expect people to make a financial decision like this in three hours.

We finally got our tickets, however the hard sell was unbelievable. One rep remarked on my engagament ring, rudely and bizarrely suggesting that we had money to buy nice jewellery and so they were entitled to sell us a timeshare as they spend $million a day on marketing. When we could take it no longer we thanked them for their time and asked to leave. We were told we were stupid and if our lives were miserable that was our own fault?!

At this point my husband disclosed the fact that he is a solicitor. We were swiftly exited from the building. If you have bought a timeshare and you live in the UK, consult a legal expert. The sales techniques consitute intimidation.

Good luck!

]]> By: Rick http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1368 Rick Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:01:42 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1368 My wife and I (recently retired) were hoping to spend a relaxing but exciting 3 day vacation for our first time to Las Vegas during the last week of October. What we ended up with turned into 3 days of horror. After an early breakfast the next morning we began touring the strip and looking for shows that we might like to see. Upon passing through the front doors of the Venetien hotel we were quickly approached by eager salespeople offering us show tickets at half-price. We somehow thought it was being sponsored through the hotel. Although I was skeptical at first, the lady at the desk told us that we were only expected to go on a escorted tour (lunch included)to see a new hotel for a couple hours of our time. We agreed and were told to meet at another location about noon. We ended up being shuttled out to the grandview hotel on the outskirts of town for a time-share presentation. After being groomed in a friendly workshop environment for an hour or so with other recruits (each with their own sales rep),we were taken for a tour of the property. Afterwards we were led up to a another large scale sales floor (with other likley candiadates), which they used to presuade us into purchasing timeshares. Although our saleslady was very decent and friendly, I found the manager to be somewhat pushy. After first refusing the invitation to purchase, I found myself weakening by being bombarded with better offers and rich incentives that I found hard to resist. Now I understand how brainwashing works. It wasn't until after we were rushed into signing the documents and were chauffeured back to our hotel in a hurry so we could catch the early show that I relized our mistake. I tryed contacting the agent at the grandview the next day to get more info but kept getting a busy signal. That started to spook me. That's when I started to seriously research the contract and first became aware of the 5 day cancellation clause. They even supplied you with the revocation notice. I also discovered that the 5 calendar days would still count as long as the certified letter was mailed on or before day five. I also faxed them at 3 different numbers just to be sure. In the end I finally received my total refund on my credit card within the 15 day time limit set out by the state of Nevada. Although I believe the time-share concept is a good idea, it's their misleading practices and pressure tactics that turn me off. regards,Rick My wife and I (recently retired) were hoping to spend a relaxing but exciting 3 day vacation for our first time to Las Vegas during the last week of October. What we ended up with turned into 3 days of horror. After an early breakfast the next morning we began touring the strip and looking for shows that we might like to see. Upon passing through the front doors of the Venetien hotel we were quickly approached by eager salespeople offering us show tickets at half-price. We somehow thought it was being sponsored through the hotel. Although I was skeptical at first, the lady at the desk told us that we were only expected to go on a escorted tour (lunch included)to see a new hotel for a couple hours of our time. We agreed and were told to meet at another location about noon. We ended up being shuttled out to the grandview hotel on the outskirts of town for a time-share presentation. After being groomed in a friendly workshop environment for an hour or so with other recruits (each with their own sales rep),we were taken for a tour of the property. Afterwards we were led up to a another large scale sales floor (with other likley candiadates), which they used to presuade us into purchasing timeshares. Although our saleslady was very decent and friendly, I found the manager to be somewhat pushy. After first refusing the invitation to purchase, I found myself weakening by being bombarded with better offers and rich incentives that I found hard to resist. Now I understand how brainwashing works. It wasn’t until after we were rushed into signing the documents and were chauffeured back to our hotel in a hurry so we could catch the early show that I relized our mistake.
I tryed contacting the agent at the grandview the next day to get more info but kept getting a busy signal. That started to spook me. That’s when I started to seriously research the contract and first became aware of the 5 day cancellation clause. They even supplied you with the revocation notice. I also discovered that the 5 calendar days would still count as long as the certified letter was mailed on or before day five. I also faxed them at 3 different numbers just to be sure. In the end I finally received my total refund on my credit card within the 15 day time limit set out by the state of Nevada. Although I believe the time-share concept is a good idea, it’s their misleading practices and pressure tactics that turn me off.

regards,Rick

]]> By: Ron http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1364 Ron Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:38:16 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1364 My wife and I just listened to their pitch last Thursday. It took us 6 hours to get out of there! What a waste of time and energy! Absolutely noting they say is the truth, they were nothing but a bunch of liars with one common goal...Sell their concept! What a cult! Good luck to those that are in and stay away if you're not! My wife and I just listened to their pitch last Thursday. It took us 6 hours to get out of there! What a waste of time and energy! Absolutely noting they say is the truth, they were nothing but a bunch of liars with one common goal…Sell their concept! What a cult!

Good luck to those that are in and stay away if you’re not!

]]> By: mb http://rcivip.com/2007/my-rci-adventure-grandview-las-vegas/comment-page-4/#comment-1329 mb Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:57:05 +0000 http://rcivip.com/?p=6#comment-1329 aussy Loz - we used The Owner's Advocate last year (2008) and got all of our money refunded. We had our timeshare for around 3 months before we realized our salesman lied to us on many different things. The Owner's Advocate was great to work with and very professional. They are accredited with the Better Business Bureau - you should check them out. aussy Loz – we used The Owner’s Advocate last year (2008) and got all of our money refunded. We had our timeshare for around 3 months before we realized our salesman lied to us on many different things. The Owner’s Advocate was great to work with and very professional. They are accredited with the Better Business Bureau – you should check them out.

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